it was -3 here yesterday with a high of 17. brilliant sun all day. remember sir, a few years ago “global warming” wasn’t working anymore so “climate change” became the buzzword…. I still haven’t seen ice melt at -3…..
If you look at the actual temperatures, not the government approved "adjusted" database, the globe has been cooling for the past 20 years. It's nowhere near as warm as it was back in the 1980's.
Curby hits the nail on the head. "Global warming" is a problematic term because cold weather contradicts it. But "climate change" has the benefit of always being true -- the climate has changed ever since the earth first got a climate, and always will. The notion that humans cause climate change is almost certainly nonsense; best case it is unproven. But big-government conspirators throw around "climate change" as if it were the same as "anthropogenic climate change" and then use it to justify anti-American policies beloved by our enemies.
I like to refer people to climate data published NOAA (which conveniently is a US agency). The one I learned about years ago is called GISP2 (you can find it on-line) but the other day I dug deeper and found there is a lot more just like it. It turns out you can take a drill and get a sample of arctic ice going through thousands of feet, and that gives a historic record back many centuries. Some of parameters you can measure are a proxy for temperature, so in effect you get a temperature record going way back. In the case of the GISP2 data, it goes back 50,000 years. I've graphed it. The last ice age is nicely shown, and its end maybe 12,000 years ago. But it also shows significant swings up and down ever since.
One particularly interesting point: the global warming folks always speak of "pre-industrial temperatures" as something to compare with. If you look closely, they mean temperatures around 1850. Why 1850? As it turns out, the GISP2 data clearly shows that 1850 was very nearly the coldest in the past 8000 years -- maybe 1/10th of a degree from coldest. Around 1000 AD (when Leif Eriksson traveled to America) it was about as warm as right now. In the days of Julius Caesar, it was a degree or so warmer than that. The amount of warming pushed by climate change guys as "any more than this would be catastrophic" maybe gets you to Roman levels, and those aren't the highest of the past 10,000 years.
When the big-government conspirators cite "climate change" as interchangeable with "anthropogenic climate change", a part of me always finds it amusing that their "solution" is ... wait for it ... MORE ANTHROPOGENIC CLIMATE CHANGE!
Human activity may or may not have contributed to the changing climate, but By Leftist Gods and the Power of the Almighty State, we humans will fix it! (Okay, you can stop laughing now.)
It's like fighting fire with fire, except they don't fight fires anymore, and that's one reason why fires are so catastrophically destructive. (And IIRC, release more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere in 2 weeks than the State of California off-set in 18 years. Nice job, guys!)
it was -3 here yesterday with a high of 17. brilliant sun all day. remember sir, a few years ago “global warming” wasn’t working anymore so “climate change” became the buzzword…. I still haven’t seen ice melt at -3…..
If you look at the actual temperatures, not the government approved "adjusted" database, the globe has been cooling for the past 20 years. It's nowhere near as warm as it was back in the 1980's.
-7 F in WNY with a fair amount of snow. No "global warming" here!
Curby hits the nail on the head. "Global warming" is a problematic term because cold weather contradicts it. But "climate change" has the benefit of always being true -- the climate has changed ever since the earth first got a climate, and always will. The notion that humans cause climate change is almost certainly nonsense; best case it is unproven. But big-government conspirators throw around "climate change" as if it were the same as "anthropogenic climate change" and then use it to justify anti-American policies beloved by our enemies.
I like to refer people to climate data published NOAA (which conveniently is a US agency). The one I learned about years ago is called GISP2 (you can find it on-line) but the other day I dug deeper and found there is a lot more just like it. It turns out you can take a drill and get a sample of arctic ice going through thousands of feet, and that gives a historic record back many centuries. Some of parameters you can measure are a proxy for temperature, so in effect you get a temperature record going way back. In the case of the GISP2 data, it goes back 50,000 years. I've graphed it. The last ice age is nicely shown, and its end maybe 12,000 years ago. But it also shows significant swings up and down ever since.
One particularly interesting point: the global warming folks always speak of "pre-industrial temperatures" as something to compare with. If you look closely, they mean temperatures around 1850. Why 1850? As it turns out, the GISP2 data clearly shows that 1850 was very nearly the coldest in the past 8000 years -- maybe 1/10th of a degree from coldest. Around 1000 AD (when Leif Eriksson traveled to America) it was about as warm as right now. In the days of Julius Caesar, it was a degree or so warmer than that. The amount of warming pushed by climate change guys as "any more than this would be catastrophic" maybe gets you to Roman levels, and those aren't the highest of the past 10,000 years.
This is why I say the whole thing is fiction.
When the big-government conspirators cite "climate change" as interchangeable with "anthropogenic climate change", a part of me always finds it amusing that their "solution" is ... wait for it ... MORE ANTHROPOGENIC CLIMATE CHANGE!
Human activity may or may not have contributed to the changing climate, but By Leftist Gods and the Power of the Almighty State, we humans will fix it! (Okay, you can stop laughing now.)
It's like fighting fire with fire, except they don't fight fires anymore, and that's one reason why fires are so catastrophically destructive. (And IIRC, release more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere in 2 weeks than the State of California off-set in 18 years. Nice job, guys!)
Meanwhile, Anchorage Alaska is moving into its second month of no measurable snow, and above freezing temps.
It is one big closed system. If the temps are unusually high somewhere, they will be unusually low somewhere else.